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and basically said that their real oath is to america and not to a washington loppiest named grover norquist. >> it's actually true. some republicans have signaled a willingness to buck grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge and raise some new revenue. "the wall street journal" weighed in with a reasonable argument. president obama's re-election means the taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the
? and then someone else? then you know, you know what it feels like tonight. to be grover norquist. >> right now, we are watching both sides start to make their move. >> holiday cheer and fiscal cliff fears. >> of course, we're talking about the -- >> fiscal cliff. >> it does cause uncertainty. >> there's a great uncertainty. >> there's always uncertainty. life is uncertain. >> i think it's more of a slope. republicans possibly maybe -- >> growing number of republicans. >> looking to make a deal. >> and they would like one pretty quick. >> some top republicans suggest they could shock horror. >> the mythical grover norquist. >> break with their sacred pledge. >> to grover norquist. ♪ another one bites the dust >> nobody's turning on me. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it is not about that pledge. >> nobody's turning on me. >> it really is about trying to solve problems. >> i'm sorry, that's just silly. >> grover norquist is not jesus. >> he can't burn down your house. >> we would highlight whose kept their commitment. >> this guy's a political lone shark. >> nobod
norquist. >> you speak of grover norquist. >> he's an entertaining warrior. >> pledge mentality is really on the run right now. >> speaker boehner clearly wants a deal. >> he can't have one arm tied behind his back. >> the top 1%, only 42% of the wealth. >> 48.5 million people lived below the poverty level. >> we should ask the wealthy to start paying their fair share. >> the american sense of fairness, no one should pay more than 25%. >> today's republican party has imploded. >> they are in denial. >> they are looking for someone to blame. >> grover is no longer speaking for the party. >> they may not be willing to just die on this hill anymore. >>> good evening. i'm ezra cline in for lawrence o'donnell. the craziest thing is happening in washington right now. you've probably heard of the fiscal cliff or as lawrence likes to call it, the fiscal curve or as my friend calls t the austerity bomb. whatever you would like to call it, it does not look like it's going to happen. it doesn't just look like we're going to avoid a crisis. at this moment today, and this can change, it looks like we'
to see old friends and distant relatives. >> i'm making a pledge to my friend grover norquist. you're in "the cycle," and you have my word it's going to be good. >>> the case against ambassador susan rice as a successor to hillary clinton deepens. she went to the hill today to smooth it over with senators mccain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do
. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show know is is really m
leader eric cantor was on morning joe talking about the grover norquist tax pledge and whether he like other republicans would be willing to jump ship. here is his answer. >> there is a lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected and re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> the majority of those who distanced themselves from norquist so far have been senate gop members, not house gop members. do you think that speaker boehner and congressman cantor, do you think they can make any leeway with the caucus on a tax increase? >> well, only time will tell. this is the big question. you're asking the big question because the speaker has set the right tone. now it is time for the right substance. now it is time for the speaker to put his plan on the table. after all, the president hasn't been secret about his plan. the president's plan is there for everybody to see, every american can go to the president's budget plan to see his combination of tax increases on the wealthy in addi
of republicans break with grover norquist on this anti-tax pledge. now, whether you see some equivalent movement on the democratic and liberal side on entitlement reform, that's where the key to the deal will be. >> eamon, we'll get to grover. i want to go to jody first on the idea of wealthier people paying their share. as the obama campaign and obama white house, do you think they have found the right balance on messaging about their millionaire friends who are willing to pay more? >> they're certainly more successful than they were during the debt negotiations in the summer of 2011. some democrats are saying, it's okay, we can go over the fiscal cliff, things will be easier for us that way. i'm not sure if that's true when you look at the president. the president has such a rare chance here. the debt ceiling crisis was the nadear of the obama administration. he had come to washington to unify the city and yet he couldn't get republicans and democrats to sit down and agree to a common sense agreement. he has the chance to do that now. there is a developing consensus to raise taxes in washingto
grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> susan rice back for more on capitol hill with failing to persuade more republican senators. >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. i think it will be premature for me to reach that judgment now. >> i would just ask the president to step back. >> senate republican kelly ayotte, who has threatened to block a rice nomination, joins us ahead. and powerball fever sweeping the nation. the jackpot now jumps to $500 million. the second
mitchell live in washington. congress is back. grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will
. this pledge, this grover norquist pledge, how important is it to the republican party? >> i think it's very important. >> do you think it's important for people who signed the pledge to keep it? >> i think it's important to remember the problem we have which is a spending problem and, frankly, i think we look at it in terms of any family. if your family is going into debt, the first thing you do is say, hey, dad, get a second is job and raise more revenue. you look at the family budget and say how do we cut? where do we get back? once that's done, we are still a little short to pay down the debt, how can we bring in more revenue? so i think before -- for a lot of these members of congress who have committed to saying the problem is spending, we need to reform our out-of-control entitlements, that's where the focus should be. >> the base of the democratic party going to allow the president some leeway on this? >> we need to have everything on the table. let's be clear. >> social security? >> s ocial security is not contributing to the current debt or the deficit. social security is something
want to be sure somebody loses. and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord's sake, if you can't step up to the plate, what can happen to you? they can't murder you, they can't burn your house. the only thing they can do is defeat for you re-election by throwing some coo-coo from the left or right on you and if that means more than your country when it's extremity patriots instead of panderer, you shouldn't even be in the damn congress. >> tonight chris matthews delivers your daily dose of political analysis from the nation's capital. don't miss hardball with chris matthews weekdays at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern only on msnbc, the place for politics. >>> elsewhere on the hill, u.n. ambassador susan rice spent her day behind closed doors explaining statements she made back this september about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. however as brian mooar reports, her defense failed to convince her republican critics. >> reporter: embattled u.n. ambassador susan rice went to capitol hill to explain what they knew and now knows about the deadly attack on t
putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans and 13 under democratic control. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to politics and "hardball." abortion politics, particularly anti-abortion politics, has been a guiding principle of republican politics for decades. yesterday senator john mccain stepped back from the edge and seemed to say it was time
to reform health care. they are still there. all of those guys who signed those pledges for grover norquist, they are still around. i think the and tea party was a fleeting moment. they are here one moment and gone the next. but the intrinsic interests who always want to push more and more of the costs of running society on the people who can least afford it, they haven't gone anywhere. that's why i said before, this is an organizing moment and we have an opportunity to pull americans together to drive this thing. i think it's a good time to start thinking about some protests and some folks calling for a fair deal for the american people to resolve these fiscal matters. because left on their own, boehner is going to dig in and stand up for the special interests, as he always does. >> now, governor, the congressman mentioned rush limbaugh. limbaugh stands by grover norquist. listen to this. >> a friend of mine sends me a note and says, listen, there's going to be pressure brought to drive a wedge between you and grover norquist. >> i steadfastly oppose tax increases on one group of americans
, to be honest. they've got to dress this up. people like grover norquist. in the end they are not going to vote for a tax rise. technically they will be voting for a tax cut because the rates will expire, that means that taxes go up so they can all go and campaign and to rush limbaugh i voted for a tax cut, not a tax rise. it just so happened that taxes went up at the same time. >> let me ask ben this. you spent a lot of time looking at the sort of texture of the political boundaries on these parties, right. and -- >> is this a thanksgiving metaphor? >> it is. it's a stuffing metaphor. richard's talking about what would strike most political observers as a gimmick. wait a week and don't get to call it a hike. there's a movement we've talked about on "now" before, that says that grover norquist is yesterday's it news, he's out of date and you had some house republicans say they're willing to break with him without a gimmick. do you think there's any districts where republicans can actually benefit by saying, i'm going to do something bigger than grover norquist? my boss is the constituents and n
will move away from the rigid position which has been the grover norquist pledge that they signed that they will not go away for additional revenues. >> the gop rejecting the decade-old pledge. here's what norquist said about cham bliss. >> the commitment that he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >>> >> and new today, congressman peter king on the controversy. >> i agree with chambliss. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed al declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to declare war against japan today. the times have changed. ronald reagan and tip o'neil recognized that in the '80s. everything should be on the table. >> joining me, ed and david. thank you for joining me. >> good to see you, alex. >> you heard representative king on "meet the press" saying that he
. a number of republicans are finally putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans
's interesting is with grover norquist and the anti-tax pledge, over 90% of republicans have signed that pledge, but so many are now speaking out about it. this morning in a breakfast with politico, mike allen was talking to grover norquist about this and grover norquist responded saying certain republicans are having impure thoughts about the fact that they would go ahead and break that pledge. take a listen to part of that breakfast meeting. >> i sounds like republicans are less afraid of you now. are you like frosty? are you melting, losing your power before our very eyes? >> no. two things are both fictions. one is the scenario that republicans were afraid of americans for tax reform and me personally and they took the pledge because i told them to. that's colbert territory, that's harry reid, that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge. the reason why most republicans and a handful of democrats take the pledge is that they don't intend to raise taxes. >> wouldn't it be good if our leaders were not signing pledges like this and actually voted with what their stilts wanted?
up to the numbers you nid at this point. >> we've seen republicans break with grover norquist and put revenues on the table. on the other side of that, here's what a few democrats are saying about entitlements. >> i think people are dreaming if they think we're going to get a deal on entitlements in three weeks. that's just not going to happen. and i think it would be irresponsible to try to come up with any approach to entitlement reform in such a compressed period of time. >> yes or no, do you support raising the retirement age? >> no, i do not support raising the retirement age. >> is that likely to be a bigger sticking point than revenue? or do we not know yet? >> well, i think that's the critical question facing democrats here. are they going to cave and allow, you know, the new deal and the great society programs to be a part of this supposed grand bargain? or are they not? as of now, they are not part of the deal. this is about defense cuts, discretionary spending, and it's about tax cuts. only if the democrats agree to bring in the programs for the elderly and poor and middle
are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well, it looks to me like the white house has learned something over the course of the last four years which is that you don't start a negotiation by negotiating against yourself. >> right. >> you know, the president's taking a hard line right now because he feels as though he campaigned on this issue pretty strongly for the past year. but the president has been willing to compromise on a lot of things in the past
the candidates assembled on stage showed their intransigence on the issue of raising taxes. watch grover norquist's people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone here on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal, 10-1, as byron said, spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you're already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal? would you raise your hand about feeling so strongly, you'd walk away on the 10-1 deal. >> whoa. joining me now to review that list of greatness, another highlights and lowlights of the gop primary season, former rnc chairman, michael steele, who never had a year like this. it was always a success over there, seriously. and the huffington post's howard fineman. both msnbc contributors. you come from the roots of the republican party, sir. so let me ask you this. was that a good day or bad day had they all went up there in lockstep? >> it was a bad day. i thought it very interesting later on that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken t
politics." who's afraid of going off the fiscal cliff? well, not anti-tax crusader grover norquist who tells "the wall street journal" he thinks republicans will hold the line on taxes. and if there's no deal, norquist isn't worried, telling "the journal," the woerld won't come to an end if this isn't resolved before january. meanwhile, in "the new york times," warren buffett takes a dig at norquist and others while making his case for a minimum tax on the wealthy. the oracle of omaha writes, "let's forget about the rich and the ultrarich going on strike and stuffing their ample funds under their mattresses if -- gasp -- capital gains rates and ordinary income rates are increased." >>> after weeks of criticism over u.n. ambassador susan rice, senator john mccain who vowed to block her potential nomination as secretary of state appears to be backing off that threat. >> she could conceivably get your vote for secretary of state? >> i think she deserves the ability and the opportunity to explain herself and her position, just as she said. >>> actor ben affleck has long been involved in ef
grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult. but with each new republican disavowingi grover norquist, th chance of a deal rises sharply. >> apparently wall street is not as optimistic. stocks dipped immediately. the dow dipped 9 poi89 points. >>> house republicans have announced their recommendations on who will claire the committees. and they love white old men. there is not a single woman among the 19 members that speaker skrjohn boehner recommed yesterday. not one woman. although chairs for the ethics and house administration committees have yet to be decided. that would make sense. on the other side of the aisle, house democrats have not ounced their recommendations. politico says maxine waters has been recommended for the financial services committee who was recently cleared of ethics charges. >> bob dole recovering this morning after routine surgery. a spokesperson says the former republican presidential candidate is doing well and plans to le
's not the best of time for grover norquist. here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets are cultu cultura biased. >> against what, surfers? >> 9-9-9 is how
or not the republicans will move away from the ideologically rigid position, which has been the grover norquist pledge, which most of them signed, that they will not go for additional revenues. when they move away from that pledge, and they must, as by the way all the presidents that i have ever served with, including reagan, clinton, and the first george bush, moved away from a position no additional taxes. they all added revenues to deficit reduction. a significant amount of revenue. >> your colleague from georgia just this week said the following about that pledge not to raise any taxes. >> you know, that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly.Ñi and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> it is my view that the issue of taxes is the number one stumbling block to any kind of fiscal deal. that has to be resolved first before you can get to issues like sequestration. when you hear that from a colleague, does it say to you that there is room, and does the president do anything short of raising tax rates on the
and what they define it as. grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like misso
other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic growth is the number one component to a solution. what all these senators are saying is they'll take a look at their pledge only if the president puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you woul
, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled
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spearheaded by grover norquist. it's proving to be a more complicated position for house gop leaders including eric cantor who gave this answer when asked about norquist's pledge earlier today on morning joe. >> when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to sa solve problems. >> joining me now is. >> domenico montanro. the statement that eric cantor saenlt september to us or his office sent to us, they're still not for tax rates going up. they're okay. the difference is if you're going to be for revenue, the norquist pledge says that you have to have equal tax cuts to offset, that in other words, keep government like norquist likes to say in the bathtub. he doesn't like it to get too big. i think in that way you might see some republicans violate that pledge but i think it's a muj harder pledge to get them to agree to an increase in tax increases like the president wants. >> you guys in the first read team, political team at msnbc point out that it would allow effective tax rates to rise for the wealthy without raising the tax
grover norquist, condemning his pledge never to raise taxes. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> how's that for a profiling courage? senator graham is standing up to a pledge he made to an unelected official in charge of a group that most americans never heard of. a pledge that's 26 years old. but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess
of grover norquist. but as senator lindsey graham says, rejecting the pledge comes with strings attached. >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so get out the gun and hold it to our head, right? both democrat and republican w lawmakers are giving the impression that a deal can be reached as long as there are cuts near and dear to a lot of americans, medicare and medicaid. david plouffe's comments give credence to that idea. progressive lawmakers are thinking i thought we had the election. bernie sanders from vermont has spoken about the need to protect programs for the middle class. he released this statement to the ed show tonight what david plouffe has state concerns me deeply despite his assertions the american people have been clear both through their votes in the election and in poll after poll after poll at a time when the middle class is disappearing and the number of people living in poverty is at an all-time high. the american people have demanded there be no cuts to the social security, med
in their pocket or they're not. this is a game to nullify grover norquist. some members put forth an option to tax the first $400,000 of income and people making more than that at 35%. all that does is increase everybody's taxes over 400,000 by 30,000. somebody at 450,000 gets hurt badly and somebody at 20 million isn't touched at all. >> honestly, those are the number that is make some people's head spin and makes -- >> i understand, absolutely. >> and the average constituent say i don't know what's going on here. what is your message to folks? what should they be looking at and how do they figure out where they stand on this? as you may well know, the obama administration is trying to get all of those people who voted for the president to come on board and say this is what we want and to press congress to make a deal but it is sort of hard to figure out what is fair. >> exactly. i said to my staff last week we need a big charge that shows the options and how much money is delivered or caused by each step we might take. i think for the most americans they have to know that no matter what we do, t
step forward. >> of course there's grover norquist. they say he is losing his grip and calling him a has-been. is he still relevant? >> he is relevant and will be relevant. you see where the president wanted his mandate to sort of use his approach, that some republicans are signaling that they are not going to be aligned so closely, senator chambliss said i love my country more than grover norquist. some will not sign this no tax pledge. so there is some sense maybe his influence will wane a little bit. i think he'll be an influential player down the road. >> i'm sorry to cut this short. i want to thank you for your time nonetheless. we will see you guys again. thank you. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, this partisan rush. what is the outlook for compromise when a majority of states will be under single party control? plus, which toys will be selling like hotcakes? toys 'r' us' ceo is here to break down the big ticket items. ♪ it's so important to make someone happy ♪ when you give a child a toy, it has to work. ♪ make just one someone happy and when it's a toys for tots child
. watch grover norquists people go to work here. let's listen. >> well, i'm going to ask a question to everyone on the stage. say you had a deal, a real spending cuts deal, 10 to 1 as byron said, spending cuts to tax increases, speaker you're shaking your head. who on this stage would walk away from that deal? raise your hand if you would feel so strongly about not raising taxes you would walk away on the 10 to 1 deal some. >> joining me to review that list of greatness, another highlights and low lights of the primary season, michael steele, who never had a year like this. always a success over there. t"the huffington post." that was a scene. you come from the roots of the republican party. let me ask you, was that a good day or bad day for the republicans when they went up like lockstep? >> one sense it was a bad day. interesting that later on, that huntsman said, you know, i probably should have raised my hand and said i would have taken the ten to one deal. i think he recognized after the fact that was a definitive movement where he could have carved out a new space on that stag
, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> sounds great, doesn't it? only one problem, this apparent kiss-off to the anti-tax guru appears to be pure lip service. as mr. norquist himself expressed this morning in somewhat colorful language. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who h
out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cli
at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. grover norquist, the man behind the anti-tax pledge, signed by a number of republicans over the years, could be losing even more support. georgia senator saxby chambliss tells a georgia tv station he's considering breaking the promise in order to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> and they are not the only ones trying to avoid the cliff. many major league baseball free agents are trying to get their money up front in 2012 to avoid tax increases. >>> well, the idea of selling designer merchandise on president obama's campaign website was mocked by some but the campaign is having the last laugh. bloomberg businessweek reports the idea by vogue editor anna wi wintor brought in more than $40 million. >>> meantime, the obama campaign is still fuming over some of the polls that got it wrong leading up to election day. the editor in chief for gallop whiched so mitt romney with a bigger lead admits gallup might have overestimated the get-out-the-oat efforts. >>> it's time for a geography quiz. put on your thinking caps. what is the name of this cou
's your first look at this morning's dish of "scrambled politics." grover norquist as an unusual way of describing republicans who might abandon his anti-tax pledge to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't. >> well, things got personal between senate majority leader harry immediate and minority leader mitch mcconnell yesterday. mcconnell is angry about reid's plan to end filibusters on so-called motions to proceed done before any final debate. >> shutting off our right to express the views of our constituents as is being proposed would effectively shut these people out of the process. he will break the rules of the senate in order to change the rules of the senate. >> americans believe congress is broken. once again, the only ones who disagree with mitch mcconnell and republicans in congress. >>> another senator, dianne feinstein of california, set an election-day record after receiving the most votes e
with some backing away from grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll discuss what that means for the livelihood of a deal ahead with the "morning joe" crew. >>> and when we come back here, we're going to huddle around the water cooler. we finally have a dollar value for what it would cost to ride a manatee. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] introducing the new dell xps 12. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ >>> we told you at the top of the show that a congressional compromise might be in the works that would keep the government from going over the so-called fiscal cliff at the start of 2013. if a deal can't be reached, the vast majority of american families will be affected starting on january 2nd. if you want to sound smart today. >> i want to sound smart. what should i do? >> read the next one. >> how do i sound smart? >> tell your friends 90% of american households would face higher tax bills for 2013 if congress can't come up with a deficit reduction plan to replace the fiscal cliff. a family with a $40,000 to $65,000
like spoiled children. >> oh. >> as opposed to responsible adults. >>> meanwhile, grover norquist is offering a reminder to republicans in congress who are thinking about breaking their anti-tax pledge in order to reach a deal. >> we could ask president bush, george herbert walker bush, how his second term went after he broke his pledge. did he damage the pledge, or did by breaking his pledge, he lost a second term for the presidency because he had not kept his word with the american people? >> at some point they need to let him go. >>> new york governor andrew cuomo is making his case for federal aid in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. governor cuomo said the storm could cost the state nearly $42 billion, and new yorkers would need federal help footing the bill. while acknowledging that more people died during hurricane katrina in 2005, the governor said that sandy's damage was actually more widespread. >> when you look at the number of homes and businesses affected, this storm affected many, many more people in places than katrina. and arguably, therefore, this created more hou
about breaking grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. you call him a genial man who has dangerously loopy ideas. >> let them say that about me. >> well, you know, he kind of -- that's kind of what i think about grover. and he says nobody is caving on the pledge, but, you know, spidery cracks are appealing in the ceiling. look, i think that would be a good thing. what would be really good. you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the sid
% of households makes a ton of sense and a very important development here. it's bad for grover norquist but good for america and should be the end of asymmetrical tax policies where rates only go down, they never go up. that said, look, there may need to be some entitlements on the table. the president has already done so in his 2013 budget with medicare and medicaid. niece are cuts largely to providers. they don't affect beneficiaries, particularly vulnerable beneficiaries and that's okay. >> the left wants -- they won the election. which is fair. i think you should get a 60/40 deal after an election, even if a divided government. if you win the election, you should get the best deal. my best deal would be the president put his teeth marks into the neck of the rich right now and say, your rates are going up, buddy. i'm not going to go sorting around looking for deductions and screw the temples and churches around the world. i still want you to give to charitable groups but i'm taking your rate up where it was under clinton when you were fat and happy so you have no complaints. we're going back
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